If you don’t support this playbook and overreach, why would you support conservatives doing it? It just seems like a really unprincipled stance to do that.
If you don’t support this playbook and overreach, why would you support conservatives doing it? It just seems like a really unprincipled stance to do that.
I actually don't support this on the basis of academic freedom and think it's a doomed project. Frequently on this pod they debunk some of the nutpicking on the left and the right (which is great) and in the grand scheme of things, I can't be bothered by one example of things going the other way. It seems like such an outlier and thus my frustration
I wish people overall were less ideological in terms of how they view the function of the University because there’s so much pragmatic stuff that has nothing to do with political views that gets lost.
I get that, but I think that it just feels very much about DeSantis is political ambition, and personally I just really hate when politicians screw with peoples lives to score political points. I grab that new college is a rare exception, in terms of how things are changed however, I guess I work at a university where we have had politically active conservative trustees, and the issue wasn’t so much about how they change curriculum, but that feeling that they have contempt for the faculty,. It played itself out in how they dealt with financial issues.  They made some irresponsible choices financially and then ignored faculty because it’s almost like a culture of doing that to the point where it feels just very frustrating that we can’t effectively work together on non-political strategic stuff that would help students.
I think we can agree on the point about the contempt for the faculty. So true. The faculty Senate is a waste of time cause leadership doesn't care, doesn't listen.
The reason you'd support it is because perfect is the enemy of good. It's good to take action, since no one else is acting at all. It'd be like saying that the Ukrainians are unprincipled to defend themselves from Russia. Sure, they're both killing but its not the same.
I admit that my analogy is overwrought and that Rufo and Co. will inevitably be an over-correction. Still, the Biden administration just rolled back to the title IX kangaroo courts. A reform that required a clown like Trump in office to appoint the bible-thumping sister of the Blackwater mercenary guy and we *still* couldn't get the Biden administration to agree that college apparatchiks aren't equipped to investigate crimes nor that a presumption of evidence is important.
I agree with you in principle and I don't like the playbook or overreach but principle isn't a suicide pact.
Exactly. Sure, this is a political move on DeSantis' part... affecting one small school. Meanwhile in Bidenland they're putting the school free lunch program on the chopping block if schools don't play the gender identity game (in a May 5, 2022, USDA memorandum to schools).
That’s a conservative interpretation of the guidance that’s not actually in the document itself.
Actually republicans have fought a lot harder to get rid of public school lunches the Democrats have. They fought against the extension of the waiver, giving universal free lunch in response to this interpretation and it wasn’t renewed.
I suspect that the states just didn’t wanna pay for free lunch, but just wanted to blame the Democrats
They tried to put in a rule change to Title IX so that gender identity is on level with biological sex, which is a slap in the face to the women who fought for representation in education & athletics in this country. They're still going through all of the responses from the public comment period. Being a girl/woman isn't an idea in a male's head. Forcing schools to adapt their anti discrimination policies to include gender will mean there would be places for boys, and coed spaces for girls. Believing in objective reality of the two sexes shouldn't be solely a conservative interpretation.
"I suspect that the states just didn’t wanna pay for free lunch, but just wanted to blame the Democrats." They don't want the people in their states to suffer. They may see things differently than Dems but it's pretty immature to paint them all as evil.
If you’re against things, being overly ideological, the solution isn’t finding someone with a different ideology. That’s actually not taking any action, but it just deepening the war
I actually don’t mind colleges being liberal. I think it is an ideology that better fosters exploration and inclusion. Wokeness isn’t liberalism though, its authoritarianism. Worse, liberalism has thus far been incapable of combating the institutional capture and its having a real impact on us all now, even outside of acadamia. So, if the political group I’d prefer to remedy the situation can’t or won’t, then its time to try something else. Rufo, hack that he is, has gotten results, imperfect to be sure and motivated by an ideology I don’t agree with entirely but its has gone too far and our complacency has emboldened these woke authoritarians. So if fighting back against this craziness deepens the “war” then, so be it.
Co-sign. The Left has had a decades long effort to take over academic institutions and they did it. They can't stand it that Conservatives put a similar long-term strategy to get more judges appointed; they rail against it. Conservatives are giving this project at one small college a go, and people are losing their minds because they see academia as theirs alone.
Agreed, though I admit I’m not wild about Rufo pointing to Hillsdale as a model and of course state Bible colleges for all, is the overcorrection that I think we should fear as well.
Though, I mean in many ways, these woke captured institutions are religious institutions in all but names now anyway. At least the Bible colleges put it in the brochure. Always the lesser of evils, I guess.
What are your suggestions for how colleges & universities in the US to be less ideological? We know that most of them lean heavily to the Left already, but you're saying this one college getting a Conservative board is too ideological.
 Ruffo is a blatant political player and he’s publicly posturing.  I sometimes feel like people are so reflexively antiwoke that they just hate anything left does and can’t look at some guy who’s talking about reshaping an entire college an image he wants as not being problematic.
He doesn’t talk about a vision that has anything to do with education. That should be decried.
He’s not the first conservative to get on a state board of trustees at a state university. There are other instances where right wingers really are coming down on state institutions like university of North Carolina and university of Wisconsin among others.
What is the biggest thing that you do? You start out with having elected trustees and not appointees.  Yoy can have people who have educational goals, and not ideological ones.
 I don’t get this idea that you don’t solve a problem by just re-creating it in a conservative image rather than say, the problem or people being too ideological. These schools need to start thinking about a positive vision, and some thing that includes the entire community.
"Rufo is a blatant political player and he’s publicly posturing"... right, we never see any blatant political players that publicly posture. It only stands out to you because you disagree with his views.
Okay, you have no suggestions. It's just complaining about his opinions because they're not yours. Got it. Hundreds of left-leaning colleges with identitarian administrations is the tolerable status quo for you. Trying something else with one college is a travesty, though. 🙄
We're seeing the Left's educational goals: "equity" that rewards mediocrity, thus failing the students that work hard, while also failing the struggling students with the racism of low expectations.
If you don’t support this playbook and overreach, why would you support conservatives doing it? It just seems like a really unprincipled stance to do that.
I actually don't support this on the basis of academic freedom and think it's a doomed project. Frequently on this pod they debunk some of the nutpicking on the left and the right (which is great) and in the grand scheme of things, I can't be bothered by one example of things going the other way. It seems like such an outlier and thus my frustration
I wish people overall were less ideological in terms of how they view the function of the University because there’s so much pragmatic stuff that has nothing to do with political views that gets lost.
I get that, but I think that it just feels very much about DeSantis is political ambition, and personally I just really hate when politicians screw with peoples lives to score political points. I grab that new college is a rare exception, in terms of how things are changed however, I guess I work at a university where we have had politically active conservative trustees, and the issue wasn’t so much about how they change curriculum, but that feeling that they have contempt for the faculty,. It played itself out in how they dealt with financial issues.  They made some irresponsible choices financially and then ignored faculty because it’s almost like a culture of doing that to the point where it feels just very frustrating that we can’t effectively work together on non-political strategic stuff that would help students.
I think we can agree on the point about the contempt for the faculty. So true. The faculty Senate is a waste of time cause leadership doesn't care, doesn't listen.
The reason you'd support it is because perfect is the enemy of good. It's good to take action, since no one else is acting at all. It'd be like saying that the Ukrainians are unprincipled to defend themselves from Russia. Sure, they're both killing but its not the same.
I admit that my analogy is overwrought and that Rufo and Co. will inevitably be an over-correction. Still, the Biden administration just rolled back to the title IX kangaroo courts. A reform that required a clown like Trump in office to appoint the bible-thumping sister of the Blackwater mercenary guy and we *still* couldn't get the Biden administration to agree that college apparatchiks aren't equipped to investigate crimes nor that a presumption of evidence is important.
I agree with you in principle and I don't like the playbook or overreach but principle isn't a suicide pact.
Exactly. Sure, this is a political move on DeSantis' part... affecting one small school. Meanwhile in Bidenland they're putting the school free lunch program on the chopping block if schools don't play the gender identity game (in a May 5, 2022, USDA memorandum to schools).
https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2022/05/05/usda-promotes-program-access-combats-discrimination-against-lgbtqi
That’s a conservative interpretation of the guidance that’s not actually in the document itself.
Actually republicans have fought a lot harder to get rid of public school lunches the Democrats have. They fought against the extension of the waiver, giving universal free lunch in response to this interpretation and it wasn’t renewed.
I suspect that the states just didn’t wanna pay for free lunch, but just wanted to blame the Democrats
They tried to put in a rule change to Title IX so that gender identity is on level with biological sex, which is a slap in the face to the women who fought for representation in education & athletics in this country. They're still going through all of the responses from the public comment period. Being a girl/woman isn't an idea in a male's head. Forcing schools to adapt their anti discrimination policies to include gender will mean there would be places for boys, and coed spaces for girls. Believing in objective reality of the two sexes shouldn't be solely a conservative interpretation.
"I suspect that the states just didn’t wanna pay for free lunch, but just wanted to blame the Democrats." They don't want the people in their states to suffer. They may see things differently than Dems but it's pretty immature to paint them all as evil.
Universal free lunch is just a boon to the food service companies.
If you’re against things, being overly ideological, the solution isn’t finding someone with a different ideology. That’s actually not taking any action, but it just deepening the war
I actually don’t mind colleges being liberal. I think it is an ideology that better fosters exploration and inclusion. Wokeness isn’t liberalism though, its authoritarianism. Worse, liberalism has thus far been incapable of combating the institutional capture and its having a real impact on us all now, even outside of acadamia. So, if the political group I’d prefer to remedy the situation can’t or won’t, then its time to try something else. Rufo, hack that he is, has gotten results, imperfect to be sure and motivated by an ideology I don’t agree with entirely but its has gone too far and our complacency has emboldened these woke authoritarians. So if fighting back against this craziness deepens the “war” then, so be it.
Co-sign. The Left has had a decades long effort to take over academic institutions and they did it. They can't stand it that Conservatives put a similar long-term strategy to get more judges appointed; they rail against it. Conservatives are giving this project at one small college a go, and people are losing their minds because they see academia as theirs alone.
Agreed, though I admit I’m not wild about Rufo pointing to Hillsdale as a model and of course state Bible colleges for all, is the overcorrection that I think we should fear as well.
Though, I mean in many ways, these woke captured institutions are religious institutions in all but names now anyway. At least the Bible colleges put it in the brochure. Always the lesser of evils, I guess.
What are your suggestions for how colleges & universities in the US to be less ideological? We know that most of them lean heavily to the Left already, but you're saying this one college getting a Conservative board is too ideological.
 Ruffo is a blatant political player and he’s publicly posturing.  I sometimes feel like people are so reflexively antiwoke that they just hate anything left does and can’t look at some guy who’s talking about reshaping an entire college an image he wants as not being problematic.
He doesn’t talk about a vision that has anything to do with education. That should be decried.
He’s not the first conservative to get on a state board of trustees at a state university. There are other instances where right wingers really are coming down on state institutions like university of North Carolina and university of Wisconsin among others.
What is the biggest thing that you do? You start out with having elected trustees and not appointees.  Yoy can have people who have educational goals, and not ideological ones.
 I don’t get this idea that you don’t solve a problem by just re-creating it in a conservative image rather than say, the problem or people being too ideological. These schools need to start thinking about a positive vision, and some thing that includes the entire community.
"Rufo is a blatant political player and he’s publicly posturing"... right, we never see any blatant political players that publicly posture. It only stands out to you because you disagree with his views.
Okay, you have no suggestions. It's just complaining about his opinions because they're not yours. Got it. Hundreds of left-leaning colleges with identitarian administrations is the tolerable status quo for you. Trying something else with one college is a travesty, though. 🙄
We're seeing the Left's educational goals: "equity" that rewards mediocrity, thus failing the students that work hard, while also failing the struggling students with the racism of low expectations.