I’m sure it will come as great comfort to the ten year olds with their throat slits, the young women who were raped to death, the senior citizens gunned down at a bus stop and the families shot execution style inside their homes, not to mention the hostages currently being tortured inside Gaza, that somewhere, somehow, there might be a P…
I’m sure it will come as great comfort to the ten year olds with their throat slits, the young women who were raped to death, the senior citizens gunned down at a bus stop and the families shot execution style inside their homes, not to mention the hostages currently being tortured inside Gaza, that somewhere, somehow, there might be a Palestinian who doesn’t agree with what is happening to them.
This is how authoritarian regimes work: Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people to represent them, they rule with the consent of their government. The Palestinian people marched out to help them commit this crime against humanity and cheered them on as they paraded the naked corpses of their victims through the street. If there are some Palestinians who don’t like it, they are irrelevant. The same way the existence of Germans who didn’t agree with the Nazis were also irrelevant. The Nazis still started a world war, the Nazis still committed a genocide, and the Nazis faced the consequences of their actions. This isn’t going to be any different.
I’m not dehumanizing anyone by saying this. If you’re looking for dehumanization, look at what Hamas is doing to their innocent victims. Look carefully, and don’t look away. When people tell you who they are, believe them. Palestine, not merely Hamas, but Palestine is telling us that they are not only the enemy of Israel, but the enemy of decent people everywhere. If Palestine wants to be recognized as a country, they have to be prepared to be criticized like a country, and that’s what I’m doing. Cope.
I get that it’s an emotionally charged topic for a lot of people and that’s why I generally never engage when it comes to the whole Israel-Palestine mess. I’m sorry for your pain. I’m from a country that had its fair share of conflict and being the oppressor as well as suffering immense casualties. I have seen and continue to see the same types of language used over and over to help further violence and it’s just very disheartening that nothing ever seems to change. That really is all.
Well said. All of it. If Palestinians are so worthy of compassion from the world, then maybe participating in mass rapes and executions of women, children, and the elderly aren't the way to win sympathy.
People everywhere are worthy of compassion. If an individual has committed a crime then hold them accountable. It’s not that hard - Do not vilify every person based on their nationality or race.
`Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people to represent them'
Hamas won an election something like 17 years ago; there hasn't been an election since.
`The Palestinian people marched out to help them commit this crime... If there are some Palestinians who don’t like it, they are irrelevant.'
Fair enough. but then you need to admit that all Israelis are responsible for there being 10x as many Palestinian civilian deaths as there were Israeli civilian deaths before this attack. Given its status as the occupying authority, Israelis are also responsible for settlement expansion in the West Bank and the siege of Gaza that has immiserated those people.
Yes, like I said, Hamas are like the Nazis: democratically elected by the population, seized power, and have ruled with the consent of the governed ever since.
I never said ALL Palestinians are responsible for this. That is a position you made up.
If there are more Palestinian civilian deaths, then you can blame the Palestinian government for that as well. They choose to make war, they refuse to make peace, and they choose to use human shields.
Why do you believe that building houses is morally equivalent to raping and murdering children?
I’m sure it will come as great comfort to the ten year olds with their throat slits, the young women who were raped to death, the senior citizens gunned down at a bus stop and the families shot execution style inside their homes, not to mention the hostages currently being tortured inside Gaza, that somewhere, somehow, there might be a Palestinian who doesn’t agree with what is happening to them.
This is how authoritarian regimes work: Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people to represent them, they rule with the consent of their government. The Palestinian people marched out to help them commit this crime against humanity and cheered them on as they paraded the naked corpses of their victims through the street. If there are some Palestinians who don’t like it, they are irrelevant. The same way the existence of Germans who didn’t agree with the Nazis were also irrelevant. The Nazis still started a world war, the Nazis still committed a genocide, and the Nazis faced the consequences of their actions. This isn’t going to be any different.
I’m not dehumanizing anyone by saying this. If you’re looking for dehumanization, look at what Hamas is doing to their innocent victims. Look carefully, and don’t look away. When people tell you who they are, believe them. Palestine, not merely Hamas, but Palestine is telling us that they are not only the enemy of Israel, but the enemy of decent people everywhere. If Palestine wants to be recognized as a country, they have to be prepared to be criticized like a country, and that’s what I’m doing. Cope.
I get that it’s an emotionally charged topic for a lot of people and that’s why I generally never engage when it comes to the whole Israel-Palestine mess. I’m sorry for your pain. I’m from a country that had its fair share of conflict and being the oppressor as well as suffering immense casualties. I have seen and continue to see the same types of language used over and over to help further violence and it’s just very disheartening that nothing ever seems to change. That really is all.
Things are going to change now. Buckle up.
I don’t really think so, but I’m sure we aren’t really talking about the same thing anymore. Good luck man
Well said. All of it. If Palestinians are so worthy of compassion from the world, then maybe participating in mass rapes and executions of women, children, and the elderly aren't the way to win sympathy.
People everywhere are worthy of compassion. If an individual has committed a crime then hold them accountable. It’s not that hard - Do not vilify every person based on their nationality or race.
This type of rhetoric is, like eh said, scary.
What happens when the government commits a crime while their people cheer them on?
Why do you consider rhetoric scary but raping and murdering not so much?
What the fuck have I said that in any way indicates I do not find rape and murder scary.
`Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people to represent them'
Hamas won an election something like 17 years ago; there hasn't been an election since.
`The Palestinian people marched out to help them commit this crime... If there are some Palestinians who don’t like it, they are irrelevant.'
Fair enough. but then you need to admit that all Israelis are responsible for there being 10x as many Palestinian civilian deaths as there were Israeli civilian deaths before this attack. Given its status as the occupying authority, Israelis are also responsible for settlement expansion in the West Bank and the siege of Gaza that has immiserated those people.
Yes, like I said, Hamas are like the Nazis: democratically elected by the population, seized power, and have ruled with the consent of the governed ever since.
I never said ALL Palestinians are responsible for this. That is a position you made up.
If there are more Palestinian civilian deaths, then you can blame the Palestinian government for that as well. They choose to make war, they refuse to make peace, and they choose to use human shields.
Why do you believe that building houses is morally equivalent to raping and murdering children?
I don't know why you had to bring Jimmy Carter into this. He's already been in hospice for seven months.