"and have our snipers kneecap them when they try to peacefully protest"
Yes. Shooting at peaceful protesters is abhorrent. But, you know. From the article:
"during most protests dozens have approached the fence attempting to damage it, burning tires, throwing stones and Molotov cocktails towards Israeli forces and flying incendiary kites and balloons into Israeli territory; the latter resulted in extensive damage to agricultural land and nature reserves inside Israel and risked the lives of Israeli civilians. Some incidents of shooting and throwing of explosive devices have also been reported."
And:
"There are no indications that the Hamas authorities have taken any measure to ensure accountability for the failure to provide adequate protection and the possible instrumentalization of children during the GMR."
Even when the Palestinians do the right thing and have a chance to unambiguously paint Israel as wrong Hamas finds a way to punch themselves in the head.
They're a bunch of fucking monsters that rather have their people martyred so they can wave a bloody shirt in the face of Israel and the rest of the world. I saw a vid yesterday of a Palestinian father trying to goad his little boy into shot by IDF soldiers, he just toddled up to them and one of the soldiers took his hand briefly as if to shake it. I got no love for Hamas.
But yes, you make several fair points. I'm not sure how much the raising of Gaza's border with Egypt matters though. I mean, yes, they are partly culpable for the wretched conditions in Gaza as well.
The fact that Hamas consistently bungles shit and is terrible could very well be part of the reason why they were aided and abetted by the US and Israeli gov'ts...
"The dog I kick every day and refuse to feed just bit me!"
Who said that?
"This goes all the way back to the 1970s, when the Israeli gov't started funding radical Islamist groups who eventually coalesced into what is now Hamas."
So me having made those points about the inception and rise to power of Hamas means that nothing else I've said or believe about them can be construed as critical?
I'm sorry, but I'm a little pissed off now by how utterly ridiculous your read of me is, how fucking dare you? Where do you get off, making such uncharitable assessments of people? I genuinely try my best to not do so, considering the clumsy nature of text-based interactions and given that I'm a bit of a Sally Sensitive, but I'm getting dangerously close to concluding that you are an insufferable prick.
The dog thing was said mostly jest, as I know Palestinians are indeed human and therefore subject to moral judgements.
Given the allowance provided to Israel because of past violence against Jews, as a persecuted Jew (denied tenure at DePaul for his criticisms of Israel) and a descendant of Holocaust survivors, he ought to be given carte blanche and celebrated.
Regarding the Gaza border with Egypt, that's more impregnable than the one with Israel, so that matters hugely. Like Jordan, Egypt does NOT want the Palestinians. Way back when, in a much earlier chapter of this 75-year conflict, the Arab nations refused to take in the Palestinians b/c they saw them as a wedge against Israel. They were happy for the Palestinians to remain as refugees while they stoked their hatred. Over the course of time, though, the Egyptians and other Arab nations tired of their war against Israel; but by then, the anti-Israel forces having morphed into a new creature under Iranian tutelage, they wanted nothing to do with the monster they'd helped create.
Egypt should not accept any Palestinian refugees. They are the responsibility of Israel, under international law.
The Israelis have been very clear over the last 50 years that if a Palestinian leaves their home/land that it belongs to Israel.
No country will accept Palestinians because they will be forced to absorb them into their population and be a de facto participant in ethnic cleansing, as Israel has done nothing but create more refugees for its neighbors (Jordan, Lebanon).
Wow, those Jews are terrible at ethnic cleansing. Since the Palestinians came under the genocidal Zionist state, their numbers have increased dramatically. Look it up. And btw, "the responsibility of Israel"? How can that be? Israel isn't supposed to exist, right?
`And btw, "the responsibility of Israel"? How can that be? Israel isn't supposed to exist, right?'
As internationally recognized occupiers they are responsible and have used that status to justify their actions in the past.
I'm not sure that I follow the latter point. The state exists now so it's responsible now. Hopefully in the future it will not be an ethno-religous state.
Sorta reminds me of how the Bashar al-Assad’s dad popularized suicide bombing to use against the Israelis in Lebanon and it totally bit him in the ass. Seeding radicalism causes more damage than one would have originally thought. MANY SUCH CASES.
"Hey let's blockade this incredibly dense urban environment for decades,"
They have a border with another country, funnily enough.
"deprive the inhabitants of enough food to sustain good health"
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9331863
"blow them up constantly"
Is it random or is there a reason for it?
"and have our snipers kneecap them when they try to peacefully protest"
Yes. Shooting at peaceful protesters is abhorrent. But, you know. From the article:
"during most protests dozens have approached the fence attempting to damage it, burning tires, throwing stones and Molotov cocktails towards Israeli forces and flying incendiary kites and balloons into Israeli territory; the latter resulted in extensive damage to agricultural land and nature reserves inside Israel and risked the lives of Israeli civilians. Some incidents of shooting and throwing of explosive devices have also been reported."
And:
"There are no indications that the Hamas authorities have taken any measure to ensure accountability for the failure to provide adequate protection and the possible instrumentalization of children during the GMR."
Even when the Palestinians do the right thing and have a chance to unambiguously paint Israel as wrong Hamas finds a way to punch themselves in the head.
They're a bunch of fucking monsters that rather have their people martyred so they can wave a bloody shirt in the face of Israel and the rest of the world. I saw a vid yesterday of a Palestinian father trying to goad his little boy into shot by IDF soldiers, he just toddled up to them and one of the soldiers took his hand briefly as if to shake it. I got no love for Hamas.
But yes, you make several fair points. I'm not sure how much the raising of Gaza's border with Egypt matters though. I mean, yes, they are partly culpable for the wretched conditions in Gaza as well.
The fact that Hamas consistently bungles shit and is terrible could very well be part of the reason why they were aided and abetted by the US and Israeli gov'ts...
" I got no love for Hamas."
You do have a lot of hate for Israel.
And exactly zero criticism of Hamas.
Dude, what? I literally just called Hamas a bunch of fucking monsters! How is that not criticism??
Can I ask that you rescind that claim?
"The dog I kick every day and refuse to feed just bit me!"
Who said that?
"This goes all the way back to the 1970s, when the Israeli gov't started funding radical Islamist groups who eventually coalesced into what is now Hamas."
Who is responsible for Hamas in that comment?
So me having made those points about the inception and rise to power of Hamas means that nothing else I've said or believe about them can be construed as critical?
I'm sorry, but I'm a little pissed off now by how utterly ridiculous your read of me is, how fucking dare you? Where do you get off, making such uncharitable assessments of people? I genuinely try my best to not do so, considering the clumsy nature of text-based interactions and given that I'm a bit of a Sally Sensitive, but I'm getting dangerously close to concluding that you are an insufferable prick.
The dog thing was said mostly jest, as I know Palestinians are indeed human and therefore subject to moral judgements.
"I'm sorry, but I'm a little pissed off now by how utterly ridiculous your read of me is, how fucking dare you? "
Do you think Norm Finkelstein is an insightful thinker or a ghoul?
Given the allowance provided to Israel because of past violence against Jews, as a persecuted Jew (denied tenure at DePaul for his criticisms of Israel) and a descendant of Holocaust survivors, he ought to be given carte blanche and celebrated.
Regarding the Gaza border with Egypt, that's more impregnable than the one with Israel, so that matters hugely. Like Jordan, Egypt does NOT want the Palestinians. Way back when, in a much earlier chapter of this 75-year conflict, the Arab nations refused to take in the Palestinians b/c they saw them as a wedge against Israel. They were happy for the Palestinians to remain as refugees while they stoked their hatred. Over the course of time, though, the Egyptians and other Arab nations tired of their war against Israel; but by then, the anti-Israel forces having morphed into a new creature under Iranian tutelage, they wanted nothing to do with the monster they'd helped create.
Egypt should not accept any Palestinian refugees. They are the responsibility of Israel, under international law.
The Israelis have been very clear over the last 50 years that if a Palestinian leaves their home/land that it belongs to Israel.
No country will accept Palestinians because they will be forced to absorb them into their population and be a de facto participant in ethnic cleansing, as Israel has done nothing but create more refugees for its neighbors (Jordan, Lebanon).
Wow, those Jews are terrible at ethnic cleansing. Since the Palestinians came under the genocidal Zionist state, their numbers have increased dramatically. Look it up. And btw, "the responsibility of Israel"? How can that be? Israel isn't supposed to exist, right?
`And btw, "the responsibility of Israel"? How can that be? Israel isn't supposed to exist, right?'
As internationally recognized occupiers they are responsible and have used that status to justify their actions in the past.
I'm not sure that I follow the latter point. The state exists now so it's responsible now. Hopefully in the future it will not be an ethno-religous state.
Sorta reminds me of how the Bashar al-Assad’s dad popularized suicide bombing to use against the Israelis in Lebanon and it totally bit him in the ass. Seeding radicalism causes more damage than one would have originally thought. MANY SUCH CASES.