Saw the hosts of this one and immediately knew I did not want to listen to them talk about the sexual torture of white working class girls enacted by Pakistani men. No chance these two are giving a decent take.
Saw the hosts of this one and immediately knew I did not want to listen to them talk about the sexual torture of white working class girls enacted by Pakistani men. No chance these two are giving a decent take.
They didn't downplay the rapes. Which I was also concerned with, given the podcast title. But, in an effort to reflexively oppose anything Elon Musk does, accepted credulously any accounts opposing him.
Per Jesse, at ~26:50 "Elon seems to be interpreting this as 'Ah-ha, they are trying to cover up the Muslim rape gangs' but that's just not a credible interpretation of this" and then proceeds to just accept everything stated by government officials and the BBC as conclusively ending the inquiry -- despite presenting no evidence that government/police were sufficiently investigated, fired or prosecuted for those responsible for enabling this scenario.
It's just flatly a "I assume good intent and behavior by my political allies in everything they do and say" scenario and in this case, political allies means anyone opposing Musk. It's Jesse's go-to with most things Musk related.
I don't think Jesse at all fully conveyed the scale of the problem in the UK and the extent to which the cultural and political issues that enabled this have not at ALL been fixed. There is no free speech in the UK.
Not mentioning the horrifying scale, which conservatively is in the thousands of victims, is downplaying it.
I think they even mentioned the report that found 1,510 victims, since they mentioned the time period 1997-2013. But I donтАЩt remember them mentioning a victim figure.
They really did downplay it though. When Trump is brought up Jesse starts seething. When mass rapes are brought up he starts chuckling and doing goofy accents
Saw the hosts of this one and immediately knew I did not want to listen to them talk about the sexual torture of white working class girls enacted by Pakistani men. No chance these two are giving a decent take.
To anyone who has listened: am I wrong?
They didn't downplay the rapes. Which I was also concerned with, given the podcast title. But, in an effort to reflexively oppose anything Elon Musk does, accepted credulously any accounts opposing him.
Per Jesse, at ~26:50 "Elon seems to be interpreting this as 'Ah-ha, they are trying to cover up the Muslim rape gangs' but that's just not a credible interpretation of this" and then proceeds to just accept everything stated by government officials and the BBC as conclusively ending the inquiry -- despite presenting no evidence that government/police were sufficiently investigated, fired or prosecuted for those responsible for enabling this scenario.
It's just flatly a "I assume good intent and behavior by my political allies in everything they do and say" scenario and in this case, political allies means anyone opposing Musk. It's Jesse's go-to with most things Musk related.
He clearly hates musk and it stops him from being level headed regarding him.
I don't think Jesse at all fully conveyed the scale of the problem in the UK and the extent to which the cultural and political issues that enabled this have not at ALL been fixed. There is no free speech in the UK.
Not mentioning the horrifying scale, which conservatively is in the thousands of victims, is downplaying it.
I think they even mentioned the report that found 1,510 victims, since they mentioned the time period 1997-2013. But I donтАЩt remember them mentioning a victim figure.
HereтАЩs The Guardian citing that report: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/20/rotherham-sexual-abuse-victims-rises-to-1510-operation-stovewood
They really did downplay it though. When Trump is brought up Jesse starts seething. When mass rapes are brought up he starts chuckling and doing goofy accents
Nailed it.
It was a great take, accurate and fair. It wont please everybody because the cases were so complex and multifaceted.
Not wrong