People from Britain are saying it wasn't covered up because they were there ten years ago when it was massively covered in the media and investigated by law enforcement and inquiries.
Quibbling over the meaning of cover up to suddenly mean "people in power didn't receive consequences for their missteps" is a bit …
People from Britain are saying it wasn't covered up because they were there ten years ago when it was massively covered in the media and investigated by law enforcement and inquiries.
Quibbling over the meaning of cover up to suddenly mean "people in power didn't receive consequences for their missteps" is a bit of a stretch considering that's how every political shitstorm has ended for decades now. Was the banking crash of 2008 covered up or did people in power just make sure they were safe like they always fucking do?
Musk is trying to install the government of his choice overseas. He has picked this issue at random as a wedge to help him destabilise another country. Is that ok?
I think essentially everyone agrees the financial crisis was under prosecuted and a horrible blemish on the integrity of our society and justice system.
It's baffling to me that anyone would defend the lack of accountability here by pointing to the scandal that was the lack of accountability in the financial crisis.
It's not a defence. Why did you read that as a defence, Dave?
I'm just saying that "a lack of accountability means cover up" is shifting the goal posts to a previously unknown definition of cover up because it's now becoming clear that the cases were reported, investigated and prosecuted, and then an inquiry was held (into why it was covered up for so long) and the findings were published two years ago.
For what purpose would you bring up the financial crisis if not to use it as a defense of the handling of this situation, El? Stop arguing in bad faith.
If you ask normal people (well, those that were old enough at the time) whether people believe the crimes of the financial crisis were covered up, overwhelming majorities would say yes! If I recall properly only one person (a midlevel banker) went to prison. Many people think the crimes were covered up and made to go away!
I feel like you're proving my point, but instead you think it's supporting some opposite point.
Again I ask this comment section, who *in government* was prosecuted or held accountable! This whole "well we eventually got around to investigating and prosecuting the rapists, so you have no basis to complain" position is so frustrating to me.
I think the issue between us is that your definition of "not a cover up" involves people in power getting in trouble? And mine doesn't. We can both be right.
It's really disappointing that you've taken such a dim view of my intentions instead of approaching this conversation with a stranger with curiosity.
No one has been able to explain how the Labour party (and specifically Keir Starmer and Jess Phillips) have enabled anything. You're just saying garbage like that like it's true. Again, I think the issue may be you're getting fed bad information and treating it as truth.
Public inquiries in the UK are very often a non-response; a way of kicking problems into the long grass - nothing changes and they can cost millions in lawyers fees.
I do not think a coming minister for a foreign power publically calling for the imprisonment of MPs, one of which happens to be the PM, is not outrageous.
actually Elon is not a "minister" (or secretary as we call them).
his "department" of DOGE isn't a real department. Congress has to vote on that.
it has no actual authority. he has no actual authority.
this is him tweeting out of his ass. as as per usual, people get more worked up over words than actual crimes.
the fact that his tweets have caused such a shit show in the UK are a sign that maybe y'all haven't sorted your shit out. Elon isn't doing this. ongoing resentment in the UK is driving this.
I think the whole point of the podcast was “nothing to see here, Elon is just dredging up old S for his own cynical benefit”.
I don’t know his motives, neither does Jesse, but I think it’s entirely possible that Elon feels this is an atrocity of the first order. That it hasn’t been thoroughly investigated, that all culpable parties have not faced a full Truth and Reconciliation inquiry. From top to bottom. From the Guardian refusing to run the story, to every MP, every local official who turned a blind eye.
This is an abomination of the First Order. The kind of thing we would have a Presidential Apology 50 fucking years after the event.
But because these were white trash sluts they think they can do this on the Down Low?
Fuck them.
They have a Cultural Rot that runs deep.
I hope this blows up in their face and i hope every fucking demon who preys on young children are scared for their very lives despite their hoards of enablers.
So yeah, forgive me if I give zero shits about Elon’s tweet misfires or his meltdown.
CSA was thoroughly investigated in 2022. Only the nonces themselves got consequences (if they weren't already dead by the time the authorities looked into it), the people in charge who protected them (as fucking always), just got to shake their heads and say lessons will be learned.
I do hate whataboutery but do you not find it suspicious that the only rape gang we're talking about is politically convenient to puppet master Musk, while the dozens of others that were investigated at the same time are not being discussed at all?
“That damn dirty chud should have kept his mouth shut on the child rape ring because we enlightened intellectual Internet world citizens all knew about it already and did I mention he’s a CHUD???????”
It's not so much him talking about a news story, it's his leveraging of child rape to stick it to his political enemies and to call for regime change in another country.
Thanks for your part in turning this message board into every other fucking ridiculous algorithm driven knee-jerk hate machine as everywhere else.
Yeah what the actual fuck.
People from Britain are saying it wasn't covered up because they were there ten years ago when it was massively covered in the media and investigated by law enforcement and inquiries.
Quibbling over the meaning of cover up to suddenly mean "people in power didn't receive consequences for their missteps" is a bit of a stretch considering that's how every political shitstorm has ended for decades now. Was the banking crash of 2008 covered up or did people in power just make sure they were safe like they always fucking do?
Musk is trying to install the government of his choice overseas. He has picked this issue at random as a wedge to help him destabilise another country. Is that ok?
I think essentially everyone agrees the financial crisis was under prosecuted and a horrible blemish on the integrity of our society and justice system.
It's baffling to me that anyone would defend the lack of accountability here by pointing to the scandal that was the lack of accountability in the financial crisis.
It's not a defence. Why did you read that as a defence, Dave?
I'm just saying that "a lack of accountability means cover up" is shifting the goal posts to a previously unknown definition of cover up because it's now becoming clear that the cases were reported, investigated and prosecuted, and then an inquiry was held (into why it was covered up for so long) and the findings were published two years ago.
For what purpose would you bring up the financial crisis if not to use it as a defense of the handling of this situation, El? Stop arguing in bad faith.
If you ask normal people (well, those that were old enough at the time) whether people believe the crimes of the financial crisis were covered up, overwhelming majorities would say yes! If I recall properly only one person (a midlevel banker) went to prison. Many people think the crimes were covered up and made to go away!
I feel like you're proving my point, but instead you think it's supporting some opposite point.
Again I ask this comment section, who *in government* was prosecuted or held accountable! This whole "well we eventually got around to investigating and prosecuting the rapists, so you have no basis to complain" position is so frustrating to me.
Here's someone making the same point but not bringing up the financial crisis as their example: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/12/grooming-shipman-chilcot-for-all-the-post-inquiry-never-agains-the-default-is-inaction
I think the issue between us is that your definition of "not a cover up" involves people in power getting in trouble? And mine doesn't. We can both be right.
It's really disappointing that you've taken such a dim view of my intentions instead of approaching this conversation with a stranger with curiosity.
They didn't defend the lack of accountability. They distinguished between that and a cover-up.
totally the same.
people in power not receiving consequences for not regulating bad mortgages = people in power not receiving consequences for enabling kid fucking.
yep, totally the same.
No one has been able to explain how the Labour party (and specifically Keir Starmer and Jess Phillips) have enabled anything. You're just saying garbage like that like it's true. Again, I think the issue may be you're getting fed bad information and treating it as truth.
I never said Starmer or Phillips did anything.
Did those names appear in any of my posts?
Ok then you’re not responding to the entire point of Elon’s meltdown or the podcast?
And what is the reason for Labour blocking an investigation? If Starmer did such a great job, why not open it up?
Public inquiries in the UK are very often a non-response; a way of kicking problems into the long grass - nothing changes and they can cost millions in lawyers fees.
Apathy. Sad
Labour suggested a different type of inquiry that leads to better outcomes for victims.
Ok, so the people who have the most to lose will conduct the inquiry. Ok
But why should there even be an inquiry? If the matter had been litigated as Jesse suggested? Case closed?
Do you think Labour is being pressured by a high profile tweet that stoked fresh outrage?
And the greater outrage is the manner in which elon brought attention to this outrage? Not the outrage itself?
If they did nothing wrong, what do they have to lose? They would only look like heroes who stamped out this scourge, no?
The Tulsa race massacre took decades for full investigation. It was memory-holed.
Governments move slow and should not be trusted when they say “we’ve already investigated all there is to investigate “
I do not think a coming minister for a foreign power publically calling for the imprisonment of MPs, one of which happens to be the PM, is not outrageous.
We understand each other’s positions now.
actually Elon is not a "minister" (or secretary as we call them).
his "department" of DOGE isn't a real department. Congress has to vote on that.
it has no actual authority. he has no actual authority.
this is him tweeting out of his ass. as as per usual, people get more worked up over words than actual crimes.
the fact that his tweets have caused such a shit show in the UK are a sign that maybe y'all haven't sorted your shit out. Elon isn't doing this. ongoing resentment in the UK is driving this.
I think the whole point of the podcast was “nothing to see here, Elon is just dredging up old S for his own cynical benefit”.
I don’t know his motives, neither does Jesse, but I think it’s entirely possible that Elon feels this is an atrocity of the first order. That it hasn’t been thoroughly investigated, that all culpable parties have not faced a full Truth and Reconciliation inquiry. From top to bottom. From the Guardian refusing to run the story, to every MP, every local official who turned a blind eye.
This is an abomination of the First Order. The kind of thing we would have a Presidential Apology 50 fucking years after the event.
But because these were white trash sluts they think they can do this on the Down Low?
Fuck them.
They have a Cultural Rot that runs deep.
I hope this blows up in their face and i hope every fucking demon who preys on young children are scared for their very lives despite their hoards of enablers.
So yeah, forgive me if I give zero shits about Elon’s tweet misfires or his meltdown.
I think he gets the big picture right.
I wrote it late at night so maybe it was hard to parse.
What I'm saying is that there are times (more often than not), where things are not covered up but no one in power gets in trouble.
Ok you prefer like for like.
Look: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/oct/20/what-is-the-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry-and-why-did-it-take-seven-years
CSA was thoroughly investigated in 2022. Only the nonces themselves got consequences (if they weren't already dead by the time the authorities looked into it), the people in charge who protected them (as fucking always), just got to shake their heads and say lessons will be learned.
I do hate whataboutery but do you not find it suspicious that the only rape gang we're talking about is politically convenient to puppet master Musk, while the dozens of others that were investigated at the same time are not being discussed at all?
“That damn dirty chud should have kept his mouth shut on the child rape ring because we enlightened intellectual Internet world citizens all knew about it already and did I mention he’s a CHUD???????”
It's not so much him talking about a news story, it's his leveraging of child rape to stick it to his political enemies and to call for regime change in another country.
Thanks for your part in turning this message board into every other fucking ridiculous algorithm driven knee-jerk hate machine as everywhere else.